Infidel
11:13 Mon Nov 9
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Comma
I'm afraid that won't wash.
The jobs in the town hall - Director of Children's Services and the like - are easy administrative jobs, little more than tick box exercises.
Town halls don't have to deal with the number one preoccupation of people in the private sector - competition. The fact that one's competitors wake up every day trying to find new ways to put you out of business means that in the private sector we live with a Sword of Damocles hanging over us,no job security whatsoever and the punishing pressure of shareholders who expect a return on their investment.
Council workers have no competitors. They turn up for work at 9:30, hold a few meetings and go home at 5 o'clock. They get long holidays and a grotesque pension when they retire.
That's why no council worker should ever be paid more than £40k p.a. . Even in the top jobs the intellectual level required is that of a junior brand manager in a private company.
Just because they put the word 'strategic' in their job title doesn't mean any actual strategy is required. How can you even have a strategy for children in Wandsworth or Harrow? Do any of the children in those boroughs know what the 'strategy' is? Do the parents?
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Nurse Ratched
7:53 Mon Nov 9
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Is that generally the case, Comma? When you read about these sultans of the public sector in Private Eye there is often a bit of background about their previous employment history (roles in which they have usually fecked up) and I formed the view that these people were playing musical chairs, doing the rounds of executive positions in local authorities, nhs trusts, quangos and charities.
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7:46 Mon Nov 9
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You are clever Infidel ( you regularly as good as tell us ) so I suspect that you are wilfully missing the point that public sector pay, for the people at the top, is such because that is what is needed to entice the "best" away from the private sector.
Who on here has condoned the pay of these public sector people anyway?
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Infidel
5:10 Mon Nov 9
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Er...the point here is that all these people are paid for our of taxes raised.
Private companies can pay their people whatever they like because it's nobody's business but theirs.
But when money for hospitals and schools is being diverted into the pockets of public sector middle managers then it concerns all of us.
Astonishing to see Lefties rallying round these appalling people who are robbing us all blind just because they are in the public sector.
Public sector =good
Private sector= bad.
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penners28
4:24 Mon Nov 9
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damn that public sector editor...oh wait
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ray winstone
4:16 Mon Nov 9
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I love the Daily Mail reporting on 'fat cats', a paper owned by a man who is based in Bermuda and is a non dom who's editor is on a £2.4m salary.......
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penners28
4:14 Mon Nov 9
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family of scroungers raping the welfare system is ok to some people, because of the EVIL BANKERS doing much worse apparently.
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3:55 Mon Nov 9
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I think that you two would find that the pay of these public officials would be a lot less if the pay of top people within the private sector bore some resemblance to their personal efforts.
These public body employees don't even have to stack remuneration committees with their henchmen either. It's a scandal.
BTW is it only in left wing boroughs that these employees are paid so much?
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After8
3:46 Mon Nov 9
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Its quite amazing infidel how the left scream about evil bankers but are silent on people screwing the public purse.
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Infidel
11:50 Mon Nov 9
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Jesus wept A8, that has sent my blood pressure stratospheric.
Paul Robinson, Director of Children's Services at Wandsworth Council THREE HUNDRED AND FIFTY GRAND A YEAR??
Peter Duxbury "Strategic Director" (wtf??) of Children, young people and famiies at Birmingham City council THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY GRAND A YEAR??
Looking forward very much to our resident anti-capitalist Debs trying to defend that.
Absolutely disgraceful - these people should be lined up and shot, along with the crooks who agreed these salaries.
As I've said before all executive council salaries should be subject to an annual vote of the council tax payers at a general meeting.
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After8
11:07 Mon Nov 9
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3309596/The-shocking-scale-fat-cat-pay-public-sector-exposed-today-major-Daily-Mail-investigation.html
And one to send Infidel loopy.
Greed of public sector fat cats: Mail reveals huge deals for council, police and NHS chiefs, how Town Hall heads are given private healthcare and one boss on £850k who claimed for £1.40 bus ticket
Hospital chief facing a budget crisis and probe is pocketing £1.26million
Council executives earning up to £411,000 a year while cutting services
Council boss in Wales charged taxpayers £2,368 a month for his Porsche
Revelations were made after 6,000 Freedom of Information requests
Use the tool below to see how many bosses at your local council took home six-figure deals last year
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3309596/The-shocking-scale-fat-cat-pay-public-sector-exposed-today-major-Daily-Mail-investigation.html#ixzz3qzAckugh
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After8
11:03 Mon Nov 9
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Just to warm Ray's heart.
Thousands of bankers are getting the sack.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/business/industries/banking/article4608426.ece
Mind you tax revenues will fall because of it.
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Mike Oxsaw
1:41 Sat Nov 7
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Infidel 1:18 Sat Nov 7
People lived "quite happily" without air travel a generation or two ago.
You can't single out a branch of technology and say we can do without it as it's all integral: the path to the internet was set the day Caxton started printing and simply nudged along by work by the likes of Marconi, Edison, Colladon, Strowger, Ericsson, Clarke and...me.
In fact, today's western society could not function without the internet, although many rural villages in what are condescendingly called "developing nations" wouldn't miss it simply because they've never had it.
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WHOicidal Maniac
1:25 Sat Nov 7
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Reply Infidel 1:18 Sat Nov 7
Because of the way the world works, it is becoming a necessity, all job applications are going on line these day but its a fucking stretch to say its a 'right'.
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Infidel
1:18 Sat Nov 7
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WHOicidal
It's not a right.
Nobody needs the internet. I lived perfectly happily without it until I was 34.
In fact life was better in so many ways before smartphones and internet.
Cameron is unfortunately one of those politicians who likes the easy applause you get from giving away stuff.
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WHOicidal Maniac
1:09 Sat Nov 7
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See this is what I dont get..
David Cameron makes the vow as part of his "digital mission" and says everyone will have access to fast connections by 2020.
The Government plans to give the public a legal right to an "affordable" connection - making it a basic service like water or electricity.
OK, so we have people who may/May not be losing Tax Credits, We have cuts to the education system, Policing and other areas. We have a continuing rise of repossessions and people losing jobs in Industry...But at least they can sit at home and watch a decent stream on Iplayer.
Apart from the fact that the people on WHO say that people on benefits shouldnt have the nicer things in life...
Also no doubt this will also be part of this wonderful Snooping Law that they want to bring in....
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Infidel
12:37 Sat Nov 7
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Zeb
Politicians always hide behind this excuse.
One of the senior Eurocrats famously said: "We all know what to do, we just don’t know how to get re-elected after we’ve done it."
But this is a cop out.
It's their job to persuade the public, by force of argument, by leadership, by charisma.
If they lack those qualities -and nearly all do -then of course they opt for doing the wrong thing and prioritising their own re-election. But blaming the electorate is cowardly.It's their own failings that lead to bad policies being followed.
This is exactly why Osborne has shied away from cutting public spending - he was afraid of the Left. But instead we have £1.5 trillion of debt and deficits of almost £100bn a year even 5 years after he became Chancellor.
And it's no good A8 telling us about the wonderful employment figures either - the majority of the jobs created are at salaries so low that they generate almost no income tax, because the government made the bizarre and stupid decision to raise the personal threshold at which tax becomes payable to £10,000.
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zebthecat
11:34 Sat Nov 7
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Infidel 11:02 Sat Nov 7
Problem is that, if Osborne had done all that, he would have lost the election for his party and the raison d'etre of most parties is power,
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Infidel
11:02 Sat Nov 7
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Winstone
Bit naughty to do a c&p and not give a source. We all know it isn't your own work though - it's written in reasonably good English for a start.
However I agree with everything the article says. Osborne has been a disaster, and it is absolutely right to state that he has failed even on his own terms. He got his projections wildly wrong and missed his deficit targets by a mile. In fact he has run much larger deficits than any other peacetime Chancellor and added a grotesque amount to the national debt.
His principal mistake was that he did not cut anything like enough from public spending. 'Austerity' was always a myth - it never happened. Public spending has risen every year under Osborne.
Other countries (Ireland, Spain,Greece) have enacted proper austerity policies with cuts of 20-30% in public spending. Osborne has talked about cuts but never had the guts to carry it through for fear of a public backlash.
Worse still he allowed very large increases in some budgets (health, education, foreign aid, welfare) and partially funded these increases by stripping money from other departments - mainly local authorities, policing and defence. Shuffling resources around like this a gift to the Left -it gave them a chance to shout about libraries closing and make it look as if the government was slashing spending when in fact total spending on the public sector was going up every year,not down. It is the worst of all worlds.
What he should have done in 2010 was tell the public that we were in a national emergency because of the state of public finances bequeathed to him by Labour. He should have presented a budget that slashed total spending - mainly by focusing on the big budgets, health and welfare.
It was a one time opportunity to introduce pay-as-you-go into the NHS and end the plainly stupid 'free at the point of use' principle, which has bankrupted not just the NHS but the whole country. He should have ended all child benefits and made parents financially responsible for their own children. Foreign aid should have been closed down altogether - that alone saves £12 bn a year.
Other measures could have included a complete freeze on hiring in the public sector, the ending of the BBC licence fee (which doesn't help the Treasury but helps the economy).
I would also have cancelled the London 2012 Olympics - to send a signal to the country that things are really, really serious.
But all these opportunities were missed. Instead he took the equivalent of a nail clipper to tackle an overgrown garden, clipping the odd stem here and there and leaving the vast jungle of Gordon Brown's bloated public sector substantially untouched.
That's why the country is now bankrupt.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
9:36 Sat Nov 7
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How did working for a UK company help Dyson's UK production staff, Debs?
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